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Saturday, 17 June 2006
Reflections on letters
Some reflections on letters in Saturday's paper.
First, there was the one headlined, Grand Old Party is losing its way. My thoughts on it:
A person whose identity as a Republican reaches back to 1932 is bound to feel a bit lost, for a number of reasons. It is now the majority -- or perhaps I should say, the plurality, party. (There are enough of us independents to keep either from being a majority, but I suppose you could say the Republicans are the majority among partisans, certainly here in South Carolina.) That means it has had to expand its membership beyond what it once encompassed. The letter mentions Glenn McConnell (unfavorably) and Mark Sanford (favorably). The two men are very different from each other, but united in two facts: They are both very libertarian, and it's hard to imagine either of them fitting in with, say, Dwight Eisenhower or Richard Nixon. Actually, it's a bit hard to imagine Ike and Nixon being in the same administration. Anyway, my point is that people looking for consistency and reassurance in a party large enough to win elections are almost certain to be disappointed.
Here-and-now issues should determine vote:
This letter is related to the first, in that it illustrates the way that many Democrats are determined to keep their party the minority among partisans by rejecting certain lines of thought. Take for instance the writer's dismissal the idea that ideals, or faith, might outweigh material considerations. Or at least, that they should not do so among practical, right-thinking individuals. But that's not the really telling bit. What really points to the main fallacy among many (but not all) Democrats is the suggestion that right-thinking (i.e., socially concerned or liberal people) cannot choose the "moral path" of their fathers. Why on earth would concern about the direction of the country or current events be inconsistent with faith or a "belief system." Why can't a person who is concerned about the future still embrace the faith of his fathers? This writer seems to assume that traditional morality is utterly inconsistent with moving forward. Why so closed-minded? As long as supposed liberals think this way, they are doomed to failure.
Townsend did what he thought was right:
This writer says "Ronny Townsend worked tirelessly for the people he represented, for conservative values and for bettering public education." Exactly. A person who embraces conservative values would certainly be committed to serving and improving public education. It is a fundamental institution of our society, and one that is essential to building the kind of future that those who went before us envisioned. Anyone who would dismantle it, rather than protecting, strengthening and improving it, is a radical, leaning toward anarchy -- anything but conservative.
Liberators not always what they seem:
Why would this writer believe that the idea that "there has always been a thin line between 'invader/occupier' and 'liberator' ... was not considered three years ago?" It was and is to be expected that there is a delicate balance to be struck between such concepts. I certainly considered it, worried about it -- still do. This is a short missive. Is the writer suggesting that those of us who favored the invasion must not have seen the inherent risks? Is he suggesting further that if anyone had seen the risks, the endeavor would not/should not have been undertaken? If so, I couldn't disagree more. Those are merely reasons to proceed wisely -- which certainly hasn't always been done in this enterprise. I believe concern over that fact underlies this letter. But if leads the writer to conclude that it should not have been undertaken to begin with, or should be abandoned now, I have to disagree.
Feting Bernanke may be premature:
Why? So we don't know whether he is a Greenspan or not? Why wouldn't homefolks celebrate the fact that one of their own is the Fed Chairman. Seems sort of like a big deal in and of itself to me.
Accepting differences leads to better world:
One would be puzzled why someone would be compelled to write that "I am of the belief that God doesn’t hate." I mean, who isn't? One would be further puzzled to read, "One day, I hope to find a community of faith that believes in love,
tolerance and acceptance. Maybe that is too much to hope for..." All true communities of faith believe in those things. They welcome sinners, and invite them to be penitent. The problem is that some do not wish to be penitent, and choose to characterize any suggestion that they should be as "hate." This is an obvious fallacy for anyone seeking a community of faith. It's astounding how many people fail -- or refuse -- to see that.
Finally, Tests give teachers too little to go on:
OK, if you're going to insist on standards being taught, why would you let teachers know what questions will be on the test that will measure whether they are teaching the standards. If you let them know the test, they would be able to -- as many claim they already do -- "teach to the test." It's not about you improving test scores. It's about teaching the standards. If test scores do improve, we'll know how successfully you're doing that. The letter presents one real reason for concern, when it suggests that students have seen "subject matter on tests that was not included in the standards." If so, something should be done about it. Of course, if the standard were not taught properly, the student would find the measuring test unfamiliar. So it's difficult to tell from this missive where the fault lies.
Posted by Brad Warthen at 10:36 PM in Education, Feedback, Iraq, Kulturkampf, Mail call, Marketplace of ideas, Parties, Religion, South Carolina, The State, War and Peace
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Brad, Glenn McConnell a libertarian?????? Do you even read your own paper? With all the government funding he's weaseled out of the South Carolina taxpayer for the Hunley museum that claim is simply unsupportable based on facts. A true libertarian would fight to PREVENT government funding for a project of that type.
Posted by: bud | Jun 18, 2006 7:10:27 AM
Bud, I don't think it matters if one is a Libertarian, Communist, Anarchist, or moderate. Greed and the ego can sometimes blind people to their values.
Posted by: Randy E | Jun 18, 2006 7:35:38 AM
Yes. He is very much for limiting governmental power. He has shown very little interest in limiting his own.
It's a mistake to assume that people who are obsessed with and seem to long for the Confederacy are racist. Some are. But most are simply indifferent to what the Confederacy intended for black people. What concerns folks who stick up for the Lost Cause, is their own ancestors' concept of liberty. They focus on what their white forebears (particularly the ones without slaves) told themselves: That they were fighting for their own "rights." They didn't want folks elsewhere -- and especially not an overly powerful federal government -- telling them what they could and couldn't do. South Carolina had joined the United States of its free and sovereign will, and it would pull out if it felt like it, and no number of Yankee soldiers would tell it otherwise.
The Confederacy was a very libertarian, very anti-big-government entity. And it lost to a suddenly much-bigger, much-stronger federal government, which still sticks in the craw of many of its descendants.
It doesn't stick in mine, even though I probably have as many ancestors who fought for the Confederacy as Mr. McConnell, and more than most of his fellow nostalgists.
But I'm not a libertarian, and they are.
Posted by: Brad Warthen | Jun 18, 2006 8:16:19 AM
The problem with the overall accountability and evaluation system for our schools goes beyond how the PACT scores are broken down.
Contrary to the theory that the "Invisible Hand" will push our schools into a level of universal success, the system is too complicated to evaluated with a single indicator. There is no one measureable bottom line, not PACT, not a balance on a financial sheet, not SAT, and not a customer satisfaction rating.
The debate on this blog reflects the general debate; discourse on using private schools as the panacea for all the problems of public schools. Paralleling this is a venomous disregard for the ENTIRE schools system, which is a gross mischaracterization.
If those that disparage our shools truely want change, the criticism has to be more specific and less stereotypical. The private school plan needs to be fleshed out with details.
On the other side, there are blind supporters of the status quo who offer half measures or divert their attention to the private school debate. There are schools that are failing terribly. There are students that are cheated out of opportunities a quality education affords them.
If we truely care about improving our schools, we need a meaningful exchange of ideas.
Posted by: Randy E | Jun 18, 2006 8:31:08 AM
The Hunley is selective scandalizing of persons hated by editors of The State, and provides a smokescreen for many other scandals by their favorite sons.
How about some investigative reporting on
* the way the Richland County Library was built on deception about its true projected costs
* the other watery boondoggle in Charleston, its aquarium
* the real spending, plans and waste on Riverwalk
* all the taxpayer subsidies to real estate cronies of Bob Coble
* where all the money went that is missing from the special taxes on downtown Columbia
...the list of is almost endless
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 9:28:04 AM
If you want to actally fix "schools that are failing terribly", then the media, politicians, administrators, and teachers need to have the integrity to identify those schools, identify all the modes of failure, lay blame, and make personnel changes...BEFORE putting one more penny into any of them.
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 9:30:53 AM
Don't forget uninformed critics there LEE! Especially ones that dismiss single black parents as parents who "don't care about their kids" as you stated.
Posted by: Huh? | Jun 18, 2006 9:53:30 AM
How about the children abandoned not just by the often unknown fathers, but by both biological parents? Rational observers would conclude they don't care very much.
Caring and remorse by a single teen mother are no substitute for food, clothing and heat. Being there and drunk or passed out on dope doesn't show much caring, either.
What is your solution to this major cause of poor educational outcomes, Huh?
How about we start with attaching stigma to such misbehavior?
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 9:58:23 AM
"Rational observers" don't draw nor offer conclusions like "single black parents don't care about their kids." "Rational observers" understand that you can't draw a subjective, value based conclusion based on such data.
Atleast you admit to being a racist. That's the first step to recovery.
Posted by: Huh? | Jun 18, 2006 10:06:29 AM
Why don't you ask a rational observer what they think about the sorry treatment of children, which you want to defend?
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 10:16:36 AM
People of this blog, Lee wants to know if his statement "single black parents don't care about their kids" is a statement in defense of kids.
Posted by: Huh? | Jun 18, 2006 10:29:37 AM
Single parents of any color care about their children...
* except for the unknown other single parent
* except for the other single parent who skipped out on child support
* except for the single parent who is in jail
* except for the single parent who is drunk or high on drugs instead of working a job
* except when both single parents abandon their children
Liberalism needs to stop promoting this mistreatment of children by making excuses for the perpetrators.
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 10:35:09 AM
Just writing to say thanks for your post, Brad. I for one appreciate your extra effort in giving us a bit of analysis in what people are thinking.
Posted by: Herb | Jun 18, 2006 10:38:11 AM
Herb, I don't know if you're being ironic or not, but if you are, your point is well taken.
Warthen's writing of this column demonstrates once again his failure as a human being, showing that he is a coward who won't let views that differ from his own stand by themselves. He has a forum in which he can hold forth endlessly (and inanely) on any subject he chooses, yet he can't allow us to simply read other viewpoints; he has to attempt to smother them in his own (worthless) analysis.
In addition to demonstrating once again his failure as a human being, Warthen demonstrates his failure as a writer in his "analysis" of Dennis Smith's letter. Smith's letter, which is, in total:
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There has always been a thin line between "invader/occupier" and "liberator." Why this was not considered three years ago is beyond me.
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is a masterpiece of brevity, shining a laser on the constant (false) claims of more than three years ago that "we will be greeted as liberators". It is an efficient and deeply resonant piece of writing, depending on the reader's ability to draw a contrast between what was said 3.5 years ago and what is happening now.
Warthen's "analysis," fails to address the central point of Mr. Smith's letter, which is that we were not in fact greeted as liberators, and instead avoids the issue with a long, obfuscatory ramble. Warthen counts on the reader not to remember what was said 3.5 years ago, and not to pay attention to what is going on today.
Warthen uses vague terms like "risks", "endeavor" and "enterprise," even though there are much more specific terms available to describe what is going on in Iraq. Warthen attempts to avoid his own responsibility for the debacle by using "proceed wisely" as a code word for "succeed." He blames the failure of the "enterprise" (and disclaims his own complicity in the failure) by blaming it on the failure to "proceed wisely"; that is, by blaming it on the failure to succeed.
Warthen's analysis is, "I wanted the Iraq was, but I wanted only good things to arise from it, so I have no moral responsibility for the disastrous results that inevitably arose from the course of action I advocated."
Well, I wanted the "enterprise" to succeed, Dennis Smith wanted it to succeed, every American wanted it to succeed. I wanted every Iraqi to live in peace and freedom and to have a pony.
But there's a desperate shortage of ponies in Iraq, and this pony shortage was foreseen from the beginning by Dennis Smith, by me, and by many others.
The failure to provide ponies for the people of Iraq isn't the fault of those of us who knew there were no ponies to be had.
Posted by: Mary Rosh | Jun 18, 2006 12:24:37 PM
Soldiers in Iraq constantly relate stories about how the Iraqis welcome them as liberators.
Air America and the liberal networks don't report good news like that, but it's there in the news. A lot of leftists don't know or want to know any soldiers, so they remain out of the loop for first hand good news.
Posted by: Lee | Jun 18, 2006 2:25:30 PM
I'll forgo Mary Rosh's evaluation of Brad's character.
I will agree that Brad is writhing like one of our government's waterboarding victims in his effort to evade responsibility for the disasterous Iraqi quagmire.
Is he suggesting further that if anyone had seen the risks, the endeavor would not/should not have been undertaken?
I have no idea if Smith was implying this but knowledgeable people ranging from Brent Scowcroft to most of our major allies specifically warned of such.
Of course, no one could have foreseen the absolute incompetence and murderous arrogance that Donald Rumsfeld brought to the invasion.
Nearly four years into the bloodbath and Brad refuses to recognize that Iraq has been a recruiting and propaganda bonanza for radical Muslims. Osama bin Ladin must thank Allah daily for George W. Bush.
Let me draw a parallel. It would be as if Brad espoused a single, nearly unattainable goal in state government which was generally the only redeeming goal of an absolutely inpotent governor. Yet, after four years of repeated failure at governance, Brad chose to endorse that same incapable governor.
Of course, with this governor we "only" risk the destruction of our public education system. And, there are counter-balancing forces.
With the Iraq debacle Brad is so deep in denial that he's willing to write an unlimited check using the blood of tens of thousands of Iraqis and thousands of American service people.
It must have been with Brad's braindead hubris in mind that Santayana said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
Posted by: Ready to Hurl | Jun 18, 2006 8:15:42 PM
Didn't Brad promise to be a uniter not a divider back in 2000?
Posted by: Randy E | Jun 18, 2006 9:17:41 PM
No one, including Brad, ever claimed that the birth of a democracy in Iraq would be without pain. Even our own history and experience in the US is proof of that. Not all Americans wanted "freedom" from England and there was domestic violence. But the liberal products of our public school history non-classes believe that Washington et. al. waged battle with bb guns and spitballs with the Brits, and after a couple of Disney choreographed battles, where none died, the revolutionaries and Brits had a nifty afternoon tea and the democracy was born. That took from 1776 to 1789 when we had our first president, also a W. You can bet the liberal surrender monkeys were alive and well in 1776 just like they are now. Unable to fight or defend themselves, they acceed to whomever is in power, wimpishly tsk tsking anything unpleasant like the use of "real" guns by "real" men and women. Well, liberal weaklings, you do have Murtha, Kerry, Feingold, and other spokespersons who have never been right about anything yet. So keep on ignoring actual progress and success in Iraq as you are on the wrong side of history once again.
Posted by: Dave | Jun 19, 2006 6:05:30 AM
Brad, you opine over the writer who suggested "Liberators are not always what they seem". You touched on all the reasons we should leave Iraq then inexplicably reach the conclusion that we should stay. You really do not make any coherent argument for staying the course (with the current troop strength), nor can one be made. It is simply not possible to craft an argument that makes any sense for us to stay in Iraq with the current troop level. If you believe we need to stay, then argue for an INCREASE in troops AND a tax increase to pay for it. Otherwise any "stay the course" arguments ring hollow.
I don't buy all the scare tactics used to promote the war. Iraq was never a real threat to us, nor will it be one once we leave. I simply think the administration is using the war for the purpose of profiteering. It's that simple.
Posted by: bud | Jun 19, 2006 7:29:07 AM
Dave,
you lose credibility when you make FANATICAL statements like "But the liberal products of our public school history non-classes"
Dave, what classes did the freakin conservatives take in school since they apparently didn't take these "history non-classes?"
That's another ignorant overly simplistic characterization of education.
By the way, another asinine comment is that Murtha was never right about anything. He's pro-life which is consistent with your position. That's just one example.
Again, these broad simplistic characterizations are meaningless.
Posted by: Randy E | Jun 19, 2006 8:48:02 AM
"So keep on ignoring actual progress and success in Iraq"
"Do you believe in fairies? Oh, say that you believe! If you believe, clap your hands!"
--J.M. Barrie
Posted by: Mary Rosh | Jun 19, 2006 10:23:23 AM
Randy, you're obviously not familiar with Rove's Rule:
Service people and vets are ALL HEROES unless they oppose administration policy. Then, no matter how many years of distinguished service (Generals Shinseki, Riggs, Swannack, Newbold, Eaton and Zinni), no matter how many medals for bravery or heroism (Kerry, Cleland), no matter how well-founded their criticisms (Murtha), they automatically become ignorant, deluded, idiots-- probably traitors-- unworthy of continuing to breath American air.
Corollary to Rove's Rule: if you're incompetent (Bremer, Tenet) or corrupt (missing millions in Iraq and hijacked arms shipment) but LOYAL to the Bush line then you're rewarded with medals and promotions.
Posted by: Ready to Hurl | Jun 19, 2006 11:04:00 AM
Say, Dave, can you spot the single inconsistency in your parallel between the American Revolution and the American Invasion of Iraq?
It's pretty obvious but since you obviously let the wingnuts do your thinking for you I'll give you a free clue: who was fighting the American Revolution.
That's right, Dave! American colonists were fighting for the freedom of American colonists.
Now, if the French had invaded the colonies and set up a government for the colonists then you might be able to comprehend why Iraqi insurgents outnumber foreign fighters 5 to 1.
That's just one of the inconsistencies that turn your argument into a pile of steaming, irrelevant manure.
Posted by: Ready to Hurl | Jun 19, 2006 11:20:58 AM
Randy, I will agree with you on my broadbrush statement that condemns all public education. That was unnecessary. But I will say that when you listen to some man in the street interviews, you find that many high school grads cannot name our first president, don't know what the Declaration of Independence was or who wrote it, let alone the Articles of Confederation. As for Murtha, I should have clarified he has never been right about this Iraq war and he was against the first Gulf war too. Thanks for the blog admonishments though, they were in order.
Posted by: Dave | Jun 19, 2006 11:40:55 AM
Mary, Not only do I believe in fairies, I even know some fairies, but I never go out with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Dave | Jun 19, 2006 11:42:09 AM
