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Sunday, 22 October 2006
Sanford's not 'our boy'
Sanford’s not ‘our boy.’ He’s theirs
By Brad Warthen
Editorial Page Editor
AFTER TODAY, maybe people will stop asking what we think of “our boy” now. That gets tiresome. There are various reasons why Mark Sanford isn’t “our boy,” and never was.
As I regularly say in speeches about why we endorse, what endorsements are and what they aren’t, an endorsement does not mean that we are henceforth on that person’s “side.” It reflects the real-life choice before the voters at the time. When we endorsed Mr. Sanford in 2002, he was so obviously preferable to the alternatives — both in the crowded primary, and in the fall — that we supported him enthusiastically, and without reservation.
So what if he didn’t have the kind of inspiring vision for South Carolina’s future that, say, a Joe Riley would have? There was no Joe Riley running. And Mark Sanford had adopted our government restructuring agenda as his own, almost word for word. If he got that done, then when we did get a governor with vision, he or she would have the tools to really make good things happen.
Trouble is, he did have a vision: He didn’t want government to be more effective as much as he wanted it to be cheaper. It was about tax cuts and privatizing everything he could, including public education. He had proposed moderate versions of these concepts as a candidate: phasing out the income tax while raising the gasoline tax; providing vouchers for a very few of the most disadvantaged kids. We opposed those things, and said so, but they were no big deal.
After he got into office, his tax position morphed over time into just cut a tax, any tax (and preferably income). Eventually, his anti-government rhetoric became far from moderate.
He had run as a conservative, but he wasn’t that. He was as close to an ideologically pure libertarian as you can get. You can’t be a conservative and a radical at the same time. And folks, it doesn’t get more radical than his veto of the entire state budget.
Meanwhile, all the rich anti-tax extremists in the country started sending their money this way in a clear effort to undermine the very concept of public schools. And the governor — whose presence was the reason they saw our state as fertile ground — supported their proposals to give the affluent tax breaks as an incentive to abandon public education. And that was not an incidental part of the proposal. As the House sponsor said during this year’s session, the plan had no political traction without those tax cuts.
Why attack the public schools? Because that’s where state government spends the most tax money, and that makes public education a deeply offensive institution to the extremists. Why did the governor not even condemn their most extreme attacks on our public schools as a “failed monopoly”? Because he agreed with them. In fact, he was right out in front, characterizing increased spending on public schools as having been a waste, even as the accountability reforms begun by a previous Republican governor were starting to pay dividends.
This alone would be enough cause not to back him: It is dangerous for him to remain as governor — not for what he does, but for what comes with him. As long as he is governor, the flood of anti-school money will keep coming to South Carolina. That may not sound so bad, until you consider what the money is used for — to trash the schools that our children depend upon, and to kick out of office some of the very finest of our representatives.
I haven’t seen this much of a threat to the integrity of our Legislature since video poker was trying to buy it. Nor have I seen such contempt for the will of the people of South Carolina. Their proposals aren’t that popular, so the outsiders tiptoe around details in those slick, cookie-cutter brochures they use to try to stack the Legislature with their puppets.
Those are Republicans they’re going after, by the way. If you’re supporting the governor under the impression that that’s what loyal Republicans do, you should talk to some GOP leaders who have to deal with him every day. They’ll set you straight. Those out-of-state, anti-government radicals are his true party.
He’s not our boy, or yours either. He’s theirs.
Posted by Brad Warthen at 04:24 AM in Elections, Endorsement interviews, Leadership, South Carolina
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Brad, you really did show your colors on this one. The vast majority of your argument centers on public schools and public education systems and what you are really shouting is that it's the system that counts, not the direct results on the kids who are floundering in these subpar school systems. I.e., let's keep doing what we are doing, and in 13 years we should have positive results. And the rhetoric on the "rich anti-tax extremists" is over the top. Funny how you just don't seem to mention those "rich pro-tax extremists" like the NEA and the labor unions in the same context. You have lost all credibility on endorsements with this negative Howard Dean like scream against the governor. All you need now is to attach a video with sound.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 22, 2006 6:46:21 AM
There is at least as much money coming into South Carolina from groups elsewhere in support of public education as there is in support of choice. I never see the arm waving, hair-on-fire vitriol and hatred expressed about these pro pub-ed groups by school choicers that I do the other way round. The State seems pretty one sided about this, not even acknowledging that there ARE huge pro pub-ed groups sending money here that I know of. If you have offered any pieces with this information I don't remember them. What's up with that? Is there no fairness in what passes for journalism on Shop Road? Ed
Posted by: Ed | Oct 22, 2006 7:01:16 AM
The State’s litmus test for ANY office seems to be:
A candidate may talk about education, but any effort at meaningful change in our schools is not permitted.
Certainly, there is no surprise in any of these endorsements.
But if I were Tommy Moore, I would not send my wife or sister-in-law over to measure the mansion for drapes just yet...
Bryan
Posted by: Bryan | Oct 22, 2006 7:17:40 AM
The problem with editorial endorsements is that it alerts readers to thought processes and reasoning of those making them. It highlights what should already have been known…and that is a platform for ones views does not guarantee that the views are mature, unbiased or reasonable.
Surely many if not most would disagree with me, but I think the single greatest problem in America is the collapse of the media as a purveyor of honest fact. The media has transformed itself at every level to commentary, and in a never ending descent it attracts more and more ideologues to the profession.
I have dealt with reporters from the State on several different issues, and over a period of years. Uniformly, I have found them lazy and uninterested in issues that affect many of us, and driven by an institutional prerogative that suits the paper, not the public. I find this to be the same with the editorial writers, and this is borne out by the results of their writings, ie, when I ask educated people about the editorial of the day, they all respond in the same manner…”opps, I did not see it”.
I don’t mean to trash the State this morning, as surely no thinking person ever thought this endorsement would go to anyone other than Moore. But the state of our media serves no one…liberal or conservative.
Posted by: Chris | Oct 22, 2006 7:52:05 AM
With all due respect to the Editorial Board that has endorsed Moore, your video blogs of the Board interviewing Mr. Patterson, although brief, did not inspire confidence in this reader that tough questions were asked of all candidates interviewed. As well, results speak; the Legislature of this state has underperformed, to put it politely, in its job of funding and creating policy in most state functions. Sanford ran on a plank of governmental reform, arguing that the citizens of SC should have accountability in its government. He has been resisted at every turn by the vested interests of both parties. Tommy Moore, probably a nice guy, has contributed to the vast nothingness of legislative policy during his terms in office. Do you really think that he has the vision, and the will, to impose change on the herd of cats known as our Legislature? His victory will do nothing but re-assert the primacy of the Legislature, its parochial perspective, nepotism, and back-room deal-making that has strangled this state for decades. Lastly, I don't think it is fair, or correct, to blame Sanford for any educational woes, as that bureaucratic cess-pool has been fed and nurtured by esteemed institutions like the NEA. Sanford may not have the muscle to prevail, but to stop trying would be to cave to the power-brokers that have ruled the state for too long.
Posted by: Agricola | Oct 22, 2006 8:47:55 AM
It's humorous to watch republicans on this blog defend any criticism of republican candidates not by addressing the specific points but by attacking the messenger and alternatives. What has Sanford done that is worthy of our vote, other than represent the GOP? How is he better than Moore? Give specifics other than the tiresome scripted attacks of democrats. If you don't have any, then just ADMIT that you are voting for Sanford simply because he's the republican candidate.
I also find it hypocritical that many who support Sandford without any evidence of positive change on from his initiative, disparage our schools as the status quo that does not produce results.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 22, 2006 9:36:36 AM
you are really shouting is that it's the system that counts, not the direct results on the kids who are floundering in these subpar school systems. - Dave
Dave and Bryan, I used Lexie's own data to provide the follow FACT: Our middle and elementary schools scored higher than MOST states on 5 out of 8 tests (NAEP). This is the only apples to apples indicator available. Lexie himself admitted the elementary and middle schools were not the problem, "it's not where you start but where you finish".
You two suggest we should scrap this entire system for an experimental idea that has not been used STATE WIDE ever before? Please spare us the chirping about teacher unions shutting down this idea. There's no way the NEA has controlled the country to prevent such plans. There is simply NO EVIDENCE that this idea will work. At best, you can point to a handful of city wide, limited programs.
And don't bother to label me as the defender of the status quo. I want meaningful change and I don't see Rex as the answer. But I am against turning our system upside down to be a guinea pig for the out of state voucher lobbyists.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 22, 2006 9:46:09 AM
Hey Randy...
I have fought “government” on small issues …and even with my time, money and with no one watching, I usually have the hell beaten out of me by entrenched bureaucrats and lazy government employees.
Add to that mix a state legislature full of free spending egoist, and a BOAT LOAD OF LOBBYIST…and the situation becomes dire.
The detrimental influence of lobbyist can not be underestimated…and the State newspaper seems to love them. Robert Barber is a lobbyist. Moore is a favorite of lobbyist, and has family members involved in lobbying. Mike Campbell’s brother…and the list goes on. I know these guys, and have watched them work, and the one thing you can say is that they put the interest of their clients ahead of the people of SC.
So Sanford has a hell of a fight, and has few friends willing to do the heavy lifting. Do I have some problems with Sanford…yes, but do I want Moore and Barber? Heck no.
The State downplays the TREMENDOUS effect that paid lobbyist have on government. Lost Trust came and went…but take it from me…lobbyist rule this state. The Gov ain’t even close to the kind of power they wield.
Posted by: Chris | Oct 22, 2006 9:58:46 AM
Brad, you have just denigrated just about all the reasons why I'm for Sanford but what the hey. You are also dead wrong about those issues. Here just three:
"Why attack the public schools? Because that’s where state government spends the most tax money, and that makes public education a deeply offensive institution to the extremists."
Yes, that's where the money is but people don't mind spending huge gobs of money on schools if they see good results - unfortunately good results are rare in SC. Has it ever occurred to you that the real reason many people want vouchers in the first place is because the public schools are NOT doing their jobs and in many areas have failed totally?! Why else would people go through all the effort and hassle to inject competition into our school system if that system were doing a good job?
"As long as he is governor, the flood of anti-school money will keep coming to South Carolina. That may not sound so bad, until you consider what the money is used for — to trash the schools that our children depend upon, and to kick out of office some of the very finest of our representatives."
Hate to break it to ya, Brad, but I was one of those who defeated that thoroughly elitist "very finest" out of office. I even got to talk to Ken Clark after the vote and he abundantly confirmed that he, like you, is one of those pompous people who always "know" so much better what's best for people than those people know themselves. And I cheerfully voted against him even without any of that eeeeevil out-of-state money.
"Nor have I seen such contempt for the will of the people of South Carolina."
The real contempt for the will of the people clearly comes from your side. After all, how dare those clueless peons vote people into office whom you don't like and who then enact things you like even less! Try to figure out the distinction between "the will of the people of SC" and YOUR will - there aren't many areas where they will be the same. Then stop pouting because things aren't going your way.
Posted by: LexWolf | Oct 22, 2006 11:25:45 AM
Chris - The recent lobbyists' early Christmas present in the billboard legislation, with Tommy Moore right in there with the billboarders, is a prime example of what you are talking about. Then Moore openly admits he doesn't read some of the legislation he votes on. In the end, Sanford will be back in there by the choice of the people, but sometimes you have to wonder why even try with a legislature like we have.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 22, 2006 11:35:42 AM
Dave, just imagine how much worse it would be without Sanford to restrain the legislators. Then we'd have all the little piggies really running amok. I shudder to think what the state budget would look like if Sanford hadn't been governor for the past 4 years.
Posted by: LexWolf | Oct 22, 2006 11:58:29 AM
The test scores of high school seniors are only the 50% or fewer students remaining after a steady attrition of dropouts.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 22, 2006 1:57:52 PM
Tommy Moore is a perfect example of the well-groomed folks who really want to hold office, higher and higher, yet never know how to accomplish anything while in office.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 22, 2006 2:31:11 PM
The editorial board of the State wants reform in state government but they endorse an entrenched member of the status quo. They despise special interest bias(such as the bill board legislation) yet they endorse a long term Senate member who has a history of accepting funds to support special interest legislation. The State wants accountability but the endorse an anti accountability candidate. The State wants our citizens to have greater opportunities via education yet they run from a candidate who recognizes that doing the same old thing always result in getting the same old results. The State praises diving into the details to expose fact yet they create a hysteria and misinformation over school choice. The State chastizes the legislature for spending recklessly but fails to endorse the candidate that restores raided trust funds and pays off deficets. The State throws rocks at a commerce department that hands out checks for flimsy business ventures, million dollar projector rooms, jets and etc but fails to endorse the candidate that cleans up the mess and creates the greatest number of jobs and capitol investment in 15 years. The editorial board screams for leadership but they forget that leadership is not a popularity contest, it is about making hard decisions that benifit all of us over time. In essence, your endorsment is a contradiction. And by the way, Mark Sanford is not their boy unless that includes the hundreds of thousands of South Carolinians that elected him into office.
Posted by: Palmetto Girl | Oct 22, 2006 3:20:35 PM
Randy, who said anything about some fullscale conversion of all public schools to private status? What many have been saying is that we should introduce private competition into the mix with vouchers and ALL schools should improve. The bottom line is the students are the ones who benefit from more choice, more attention, and improved quality. In a more competitive environment, teacher compensation would improve also. I am in favor of that, for the good teachers.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 22, 2006 4:12:27 PM
Dave, don't you know by now that Randy only talks about non-existent, extreme positions of his own imagination?
Perhaps he fears that allowing a mix of public and private schools would put the public schools out of business due to lack of demand.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 22, 2006 4:47:58 PM
huge gobs of money on schools if they see good results - unfortunately good results are rare in SC. - Lex
Lex, let me put you in your place AGAIN because you are making the same BOGUS statements AGAIN.
SC middle and elementary schools scored at or above MOST states in 5 out of 8 NAEP tests. You ADMITTED this when I confronted you with these FACTS before. Your reply was it's not where they kids start but where they finish.
Why don't you stick with defending Mark Foley.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 22, 2006 7:36:56 PM
Dave, you are suggesting we raise taxes to pay for higher salaries, eh? Good for you.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 22, 2006 7:41:22 PM
School teacher are already some of the highest-paid workers in South Carolina.
Free market choices would enable the better ones to make even more, and those already making more than they are worth would be force to find other occupations.
Posted by: Lee | Oct 22, 2006 7:45:00 PM
I have a confession to make. When I started reading this blog last year, I was actually excited to see what went on "behind the scenes" at a local newspaper. I really had this idealistic notion that newspapers existed to be the eyes, ears, and voice of the community. After today's endorsement (actually a denouncement would be a better term), I have to finally admit that my foolish belief in the power of the press has been crushed. A year's worth of blogging has led me to realize that The State editorial board isn't interested in anything but pontification. They HATE people who actually want to do something
or change something. They believe in incremental change measured in inches per decade when what we need is bold, swift, radical change to a system that is full of waste, corruption, and inefficiency. The answer to any question is always "More government control".
The saddest part of the past month has been watching Brad's coy handling of the Grady Patterson candidacy. Here is one situation where an honest editorial board would expose Mr. Patterson for what he is - an old man who has no business holding office.
I'm expecting The State to endorse Ravenal with a bunch of caveats, but they have failed the public by even allowing Mr. Patterson to appear to have any competency to hold the job.
Today's Sanford slam was shameful.
Posted by: Dou | Oct 22, 2006 7:48:36 PM
The troll can repeat his fake, mangled, tortured "quotes" as many times as he likes but the bottom line is quite simple and undeniable. Even after 50% of kids drop out, SC is at or near the bottom at the finish line - the SAT!! Who cares if we were somewhere in the middle of the pack at the end of the first lap?
(Besides, if our public schools are doing so great, why would so many people be clamoring for school choice in the first place? That's a question to which nobody on the educrat plantation side ever seems to have an answer.)
Posted by: LexWolf | Oct 22, 2006 9:28:19 PM
Lexie resorts to the childish name calling when a deeper argument is unavailable.
I'll be happy to cut and paste your quote Lexie, with the thread, date and time. Of course, you just reaffirmed it, Who cares if we were somewhere in the middle of the pack at the end of the first lap? Of course that would be the first 2 out of 3 laps.
Who cares if we are in the middle? Alot of people Lexie. If all these people are clamoring for school choice, why have we had so few programs in the nation? Why do the public school haters need all this out of state money? And spare us the worthless retort about teacher unions controlling the country.
Defining our state education system with a single measure is as useful as evaluating our county Sheriff by tracking the number of speeding tickets. There is a strong correlation between family income and SAT score. How is this an accurate measure of education?
Try using facts as opposed to blind ideology.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 22, 2006 10:48:40 PM
"Defining our state education system with a single measure is as useful as evaluating our county Sheriff by tracking the number of speeding tickets."
Then why are you using 2 tests out of 8, in 1 year out of 4, in only 2 grades, to portray the entire SC public school system as just peachy? If the SAT, where we rank 49th out of 50 (and have ranked down there for decades), is not sufficient to prove that our schools are abysmal, then surely that NAEP you tout is just as useless to show that they are at least mediocre. So thank you for conceding the one mediocre statistic in a vast sea of abysmal failure.
's OK, troll. Just 15 more days and we'll be a good step closer to school choice. Then your educrat buddies will have to go to work again to impede and thwart the will of the people.
Posted by: LexWolf | Oct 23, 2006 12:37:20 AM
Randy, I don't have the exact numbers but for the New York City school system, administrators number in the thousands. The Catholic diocese of NYC employs 22 people in their admin office for their schools. We won't need tax increases after we get rid of 90% of the PR directors, Measurement Directors, and Assistant VPs of Desk and Chair Arrangement.
Posted by: Dave | Oct 23, 2006 5:48:20 AM
Lexie continues to resort to the childish tactics...didn't Brad dedicate a thread to this boorish behaviour?
8 > 1, this reads 8 is bigger than 1 Lex. The SAT is only ONE measure and not all high school students take this test. On the other hand, the 8 different and subject specific tests used on the middle and elementary school students is more inclusive.
If you don't understand how 8 subject specific tests are a more valid comprehensive measure, then your problem is not faulty ideology but a lack of critical thought.
Lexie, state wide choice will not be ushered in by Floyd. It's silly to suggest such.
Posted by: Randy Ewart | Oct 23, 2006 6:06:12 AM

