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Thursday, 29 March 2007
More on defeat of vouchers
Here's the AP story on what happened. As I said before, dramatic stuff. It was truly a case of Capt. Smith of the 218th Brigade to the rescue of public schools:
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COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) - A proposal that would help parents pay for private school tuition with public money was defeated Thursday by South Carolina lawmakers, the third consecutive year the idea has failed.
The effort to defeat the plan was energized by a House legislator who flew home from Army National Guard training to argue against the proposal.Army Capt. James Smith, on leave from Fort Riley, Kansas, told colleagues that voters decided in November they didn't want school vouchers when they elected a Democrat to head the Education Department.
Smith, a Democrat, is set to deploy to Afghanistan in a couple of months.
"I'm here solely for the voucher vote," he said.
Smith said he told his battalion commander Lt. Col. John Nagl that it was an important vote and was granted a day's leave.
"He said he didn't want to stand in the way of Democracy," Smith said at the Statehouse, where he was flanked by his 11-year-old son, Thomas.
House Minority Leader Harry Ott said he called Smith on Wednesday after Republicans proposed a plan that would allow students to transfer to private schools. The idea came as legislators debated a proposal to let parents enroll their children in any public school regardless of attendance lines.
"I said, 'Get home. We need your vote,"' Ott, D-St. Matthews, said he told Smith.
Smith told colleagues that when voters chose Education Superintendent Jim Rex - the only Democrat elected to statewide office - it showed they did not want public money going to private schools. Rex wants to give parents more choice by allowing them to send their student to any public school.
Advocates of private school choice thought they had the votes Wednesday night, but Smith's presence likely renewed Democrats' efforts, said Denver Merrill, spokesman for South Carolinians for Responsible Government.
"We're inching along, and we're not going anywhere," Merrill said.
The libertarian impulse doesn't stand up all that well in the face of a man so willing to lay his life on the line for the greater good. That's just a little too much moral force, I guess.
Posted by Brad Warthen at 12:42 PM in Afghanistan, Education, Legislature, Military, South Carolina
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I'm sure the kids in Allendale will be holding a parade for Captain Smith. Assuming they can spell "hero".
A clear victory for business as usual and the education establishment that has created the failing system we have today.
Someday you gotta do a little introspective self-analysis of your military fetish.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 1:50:05 PM
Doug, I believe the "military fetish" comment is petty.
How would this bill have helped the kids in Allendale? I'm not saying it wouldn't, I'd like to explore the issue.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 5:02:10 PM
Jim Rex's Phony School Choice
* He knows the federal courts will help the status quo sue to block it as an unwinding of their racial redistricting
* There is no room in the good schools, and the public school gang has no intention of supplying customer demand. If they did, they would fix the broken schools.
* The poor students have no way to get from their bad schools to the good ones, and GovCo has no intention of supplying transportation.
Posted by: Lee | Mar 29, 2007 5:09:32 PM
Randy,
Brad's "fascination" with the military is evident across many of the posts in this blog. It's sort of like the guy who says "I coulda played in the major leagues if I hadn't hurt my arm in high school".
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 5:36:14 PM
Lee's nailed it. Jim Rex's school choice plan is going to consist of some very carefully selected pilot programs which will be deemed successful no matter what and a whole lot of nothing for the majority of kids in the state.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 5:37:44 PM
What about Allendate students and private school choice? I have some doubts about a private school providing much relief in this county. The 1st link below shows a map of the county. AFHS is in Fairfax - on one end of the county. Where and how will a private school operate?
This is a POOR county. The high school has ONE page on it's website. That's the second link. The census info is the 3rd link. The median household income is nearly half of the state median and the poverty level is nearly double.
I agree with your willingness to redistribute the wealth of our state towards those in need, but think we need to do MORE. We can't simply pass the responsibility over those in need to private entities.
Campbell Jr. is the ONLY one who addressed dealing with these poor communities as a whole. I think we should explore this avenue.
http://www.scstatehouse.net/jpeg/cnty03.jpg
http://www.acs.k12.sc.us/Allendale_Fairfax_High.htm
http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/45/45005.html
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 5:58:20 PM
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17858379/
Looks like I'm in DEMAND!!! (math teacher to boot)
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 6:03:01 PM
Brad, am I missing something? If this vote was close enough that one guy had to fly home to singlehandedly cast the winning vote, it seems to me that at LEAST a small part of the reporting on this story ought to be about how the tide in South Carolina has turned. This is a direct echo of what happened in November, when Rex won by one half of an RCH (red chest hair). Supporters of vouchers are only losing these battles by the thinnest razors' edge margins, and if present trends continue it seems to me that eventually they'll win. It might look better for you down at the paper of record if at some point you had done at least a little reporting of that. Ed
Posted by: ed | Mar 29, 2007 6:23:37 PM
Ed may make a good point about today's vote, BUT the vote in November must be taken in context.
The ONLY dem elected to state wide office was Rex. He didn't enter the race until May. Floyd was in the race for a year and a half. She had big name endorsements. She had a serious campaign operation. She also had the exposure of the Republican primary. Rex wasn't even discussed by Brad until the end of the summer.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 6:35:06 PM
So...if the military man had voted the other way...would he be a hero? Was the vote defeated by one vote?
Jezzz...I am sure the guy is a great fellow...but gimme a break.
Dont worry about the kids in Allendale...thy were represented well today...serving Jim Rex in his private dinning room at the Summit Club...in a room full of overpaid educrats.
Yep...the Educrats are doing well...and the kids are hoping for a tip. Status quo...
Posted by: chris | Mar 29, 2007 7:34:56 PM
This is so sad. Brad and the rest of the big government ideologues are whooping it up over this "victory" while our kids are condemned to yet another year without real reform and real accountability. But who cares about the kids as long as the big government monster continues to be fed?
Posted by: LexWolf | Mar 29, 2007 7:50:53 PM
Wait til you read Rex's "plan".... In addition to mandatory 4 year old kindergarten, he wants to add 3 year old kindergarten for poor kids. Why don't we just make these kids wards of the state and keep them on the government dole from cradle to grave?
3 and 4 year old kindergarten is simply glorified day care... at the taxpayers expense.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 8:08:59 PM
Let's summarize the posts:
Chris offers nothing in the way of a suggestion. It's easier to sit on the side line and criticize.
Lex favors diverting $8,000+ in tax payer dollars towards private schools for these poor families who certainly don't pay that much in taxes yet decries big government which he admitted would oversee these very same private schools. Let's see, we'll send tax payer dollars to pay for the education of these same kids and will have the same government oversight.
Doug offers similar demogoguery but has yet to explain how this plan would have served the kids in Allendale as asked repeatedly. Someone's dodging...again.
Let's all peck away at our computers in our ivory towers because it's easier to tear down what we have than to offer meaningful reform ourselves.
Lex and Doug, let's hear you actually defend and explain this private school plan. How would this plan help the kids in Allendale? DETAILS!
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 8:29:35 PM
I predict neither can support this private school choice plan so they will attack me instead.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 8:30:23 PM
Ed and Chris,
The vote for the public school choice bill (H3124) was 69-53, so Capt. Smith's vote wasn't critical. A number of Republican legislators crossed over to allow passage of the bill.
To me this bill is mostly symbolic.. School choice (public of private) will do little to improve education. All the districts in Marion County practice school choice-we allow students who to transfer in and out of our districts at will, with very few exceptions.
My guess is that Rex is trying to frame the debate. He wants to establish public school choice as the only "choice" option. I suspect he’s hoping that will send a strong enough signal to Howard Rich and the other SCRG types that SC is no longer promising territory and that they should waste their money pushing a voucher proposal in some other state.
The pro-voucher groups have only polarized the public school debate in SC without adding anything valuable. The sooner they are gone the sooner we can get back to addressing school problems in a saner and more congenial way.
Rex knows that the most significant change he could make would be to change the way schools are funded. I believe that unless we move to a Vermont style system in which all school revenue is first sent from school districts to Columbia and then redistributed on a per pupil basis so that every student in the state is supported by the same amount of money (with adjustments for special needs, poverty weighting, etc.) that our inequality will be locked in.
I hope that he is laying some groundwork in the General Assembly for this kind of fundamental change. This victory in the House is a good start.
One of Jim Rex’s most appealing qualities is his lack of partisanship. He advocates making the Superintendent’s election non-partisan. His efforts are directed to what he thinks will work and what is doable. He’s not interested in scoring political points.
Posted by: Paul DeMarco | Mar 29, 2007 9:06:01 PM
Paul,
I don't see initiatives from Rex to address Allendale-Fairfax, Eau Claire etc.
As a teacher it pains me to see the data from schools like this. AFHS is around 75% free and reduced lunch. They keep only 2/3 of their teachers each year. Not a single student qualified for the Life Scholarship - FREE COLLEGE!!!
I'm waiting for the voucher crowd to explain how their plan will provide for the poor kids in Allendale. I assume they can thumb their way across the county to the new private school.
Again, the ONLY person I've seen address the problem of poor rural schools in depth is Campbell.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 29, 2007 9:15:47 PM
I am pleased to hear that the government of South Carolina will not be taking my money and redistributing it to the likes of the pseudo-libertarian LexWolf.
Posted by: kc | Mar 29, 2007 10:47:23 PM
Randy,
Message received and ignored.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 11:31:55 PM
Trick question:
We wave a magic wand, and suddenly all people in South Carolina achieve perfect SAT scores and earn advanced degrees. What effect will this have on poverty as a relative measure?
Correct answer: Nothing whatsoever given the same tax structure. A particular distribution of wealth has to develop in capitalism for a given tax structure. A poor educational system doesn’t create poverty: it’s the other way around.
Why are all of these kids on the free lunch program? What happened to the good paying manufacturing jobs that these children’s parents used to have?
We’ll never be able to solve serious problems in the framework of neo-liberalism. My suggestion is to get our ineffectual congressmen to actually do something about the thirty years of free trade agreements that have ravaged South Carolina, the South, and the Midwest into near penury. Education should be federally funded on an equal basis for all Americans, as should be healthcare and pensions.
Posted by: Mark Whittington | Mar 29, 2007 11:45:33 PM
Here's the contents of the bill that passed..
2007-08: Gather statewide input on public school choice and help school districts enact voluntary choice programs
2008-09: All school districts must offer at least one school choice for resident students at each of the elementary, middle and high school levels.
2009-10: Statewide open enrollment begins, meaning students can apply to attend any school in the state regardless of where they live. Districts must accept a number of out-of-district students equal to one half of a percentage point of a district’s highest average enrollment during the past 10 years. Every year, the number of students who must be accepted will increase by half a percentage point until reaching 3 percent. Schools only must accept out-of-district students if they have capacity, meaning overcrowded schools would not have to accept transfers.
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This is how government works:
First year, make a plan... second year, implement a minor piece of the plan...
Years three and four, assume the public has
forgotten about the original plan and come up with a new plan.
What is about government educrats that it takes a year to come up with a plan? Isn't there anybody in the Department of Education capable of coming up with a plan in three months? Not when you're living off the tax dollars and have no need to be accountable to anyone.
Notice the percentage caps on the number of choice slots that will be available. One half of one percent and then it will take FIVE more years to reach the 3% maximum.
For Richland 2, that means 105 slots three years from now spread across 25 schools...
WOW!!! That is bold innovation that Rex is putting out there... What a visionary!!!
Again, this is typical government efficiency. Someone pulls a number out of an orifice and turns it into a ten year plan... and I guarantee there will be people who will be paid out of our tax dollars to monitor the .5% --- except there will be no consequences for not providing those slots. Just claim overcrowding and you're off the hook.
You think a district like Richland 2 is going to open up slots at the best schools? No way. If they open up any slots, it will be at the schools where enrollment is dropping (Decker Blvd area).
You get the government you deserve.... P.T. Barnum was sort of right - there's a sucker born every minute and he lives in South Carolina.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 29, 2007 11:48:56 PM
Doug, if you can't answer the question about Allendale, just say so. You're not the only one.
Of course, this undermines your criticism of the defeat of the bill. If you can't offer a shred of evidence of how this bill would have been effective, then it should have been defeated.
So I'll answer it for you. Allendale would not benefit in the least from ANY type of choice. Your contention that they could "car pool" if they wanted an alternative choice badly enough [sic] is hardly realistic. I'll cite the #s for you again. There is ONE public high school in Allendale County. It's in Fairfax on the east side. They have DOUBLE the poverty rate of SC in general.
Here are a couple more questions the public school haters will dodge. How would the $4500 for the poor enable these poor kids to attend a private school? Allendale loses 1/3 of their faculty every year. How will the school in this poor county be staffed? How many teachers will be knocking down the door to teach here, unless you bump up the salary? Then you're talking about a great deal more spending than the pittance provided in this bill.
These are tough questions so I expect the hate mongers to take the easy route and focus on their demogoguery.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 30, 2007 6:15:04 AM
Mark, I disagree. My son should not receive the same funding as kids in Allendale. They need more. Spring Valley, for example, has a school foundation that pulls in a great deal of money beyond public funding. Allendale probably has car washes.
Posted by: Randy E | Mar 30, 2007 6:18:46 AM
Mark, I'm not so impressed with your trick question as I am with your trick premises and trick assumptions. If "something was done" about 30 years of free trade agreements as you suggest, (which I guess means do away with them, you conveniently weren't specific about exactly what you think should be done), then that would mean we'd still have people employed in South Carolina making textile products that cost 40-200% more to produce than the same products made elsewhere. What then? Is your idea for the U.S. government to force americans to buy the more expensive products? Because certainly no one will of their own volition. Or would you simply have the government stop these cheaper products from entering this country? Or maybe we could just slap a tax or tariff on cheaper foreign goods so that the cost is the same to the U.S. consumer no matter which he buys. Who gets screwed under that scheme? And might not that plan really tick off the countries we trade with? What would stop them from doing the same thing to any product we make cheaper than their domestic equivalent? Your ideas are old, have been tried repeatedly, and have been deonstrated beyond an atom of doubt NOT to work Mark. I agree with you that our representatives in government are inneffectual. I also concur that liberlism, not just "neo" but liberalism in ANY form isn't the answer. But attempting to rig markets and distort prices and costs so that our more expensive products can somehow "compete" is nuts...it hasn't worked and won't now. Especially now. I don't think your ideas about healthcare and pensions are good ones either, but that's another topic. Ed
Posted by: ed | Mar 30, 2007 9:57:36 AM
GOP diehards who rant endlessly about how narrow Rex's victory last November was seem to forget that W won the popular vote in Florida in 2000 by about the same number of votes. This, in a state with 4 times our population.
Give Rex a chance before you start spouting the usual raft of partisan slogans.
Posted by: Steve Gordy | Mar 30, 2007 10:08:31 AM
To label a "school" as failing is not addressing the problem. I taught at Eau Claire High School in the early 90s. Eau Claire is considered a failing school, even though I found many of the teachers to be qualified and dedicated to their profession. But how is a school (public or private) to overcome what a student may face at home - an absent parent (perhaps a single parent who has a job) and/or a parent who is illiterate? And what about the child who arrives to 5k not knowing how to count or to say the ABCs? This child is behind from day one, and I've yet to meet many 5-year olds capable of pulling themselves up by their bootstraps.
Our public school system is segregated along socioeconomic lines. Most parents choose to live in the best school district that they can afford, which results in poorer children, who are more likely to face the obstacles described herein, being grouped into the same school. In effect, the school itself is behind from day one. Public school choice should help with the grouping problem and early intervention in the form of 4k would help address the under-preparedness problem. No system will be perfect.
Regarding private school vouchers, I fail to see how funneling money outside of the public system will help improve public schools. Nor am I convinced that the private schools want the oversight that should be attached to public funds. And what about the students located in our poor rural areas? I've not seen many private schools located here. These students face a different set of problems, which includes unqualified teachers (my apologies, but it needs to be said). A solution to help poor rural schools? Double teacher salaries in these areas to make it more attractive for a teacher to commute or perhaps live in these areas.
Posted by: Reed Swearingen | Mar 30, 2007 10:23:07 AM

