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Sunday, 15 April 2007

Let's get the flag down NOW!

"It would make us a more progressive, better state, I think, if the flag was removed. But I’m not going to go on any big campaign to have it removed. That’s not my position."
                            -- Steve Spurrier 

Well, it is my position, and the big campaign starts now. Or rather, resumes now. My own campaign in that regard began in 1994 when I joined the editorial board. Hundreds of editorials and columns later (I lost count around 200; the total is likely closer to three), reinforced in the latter years by Warren Bolton, the flag came down from its position of false sovereignty atop the dome.

Not to say we can take credit. We just kept the issue out there; it was a broad spectrum of South Carolinians stepping forward and speaking up for common sense and decency that moved the flag. It would have been gone for good from the grounds, too, but for the Legislature's habitual reluctance to act wisely.

Here's what I wrote on the day it came down. Clearly, my intent was to keep working on the problem. My hope was to achieve something like what former House Speaker Bob Sheheen had tried to promote on the House floor -- a small bronze plaque saying that here the flag once flew. You know, treat history as history rather than trying to repeat the worst bits of it.

But once the momentum of that push settled down, and most of the parties who made it happened went home feeling more or less satisfied that they had at least accomplished something, the relative quiet was filled by the ineffective and counterproductive NAACP boycott, and the visceral reaction to it. I've written about the need to bring the flag down a number of times since then, and so has Warren. But it's always been in the context of that useless conflict. We had to say, "Pay no attention to that group making all the noise; let's move the flag because we know it's the right thing to do." But up to now, we might as well have been shouting at a stone wall.

Why? Because the NAACP was the only organization out there making any news on the subject, largely because news coverage is attracted, unfortunately, to conflict. But as I've written before, and mark this, the flag will never come down in reaction to a NATIONAL interest group that promotes the advancement of a segment of society defined by skin color -- any skin color. That just won't happen. Nor should it. South Carolina has to decide to do this thing itself because it wants to, because it has grown to the point that it can put such things behind it. Otherwise, nothing is accomplished.

What we need is what we had in 2000 -- a coalition of South Carolinians of all colors and persuasions working to drag our state out of the 19th century, through the 20th and into the 21st, all in one smooth motion. A positive, many-sided coalition rather than a negative monolith, one that can make enough sensible noise to drown out the talk about a boycott that in any event has had no appreciable effect on anything, other than to tick off enough people to make positive movement impossible.

Here's the big secret that I've also disclosed before: Most South Carolinians either want to move on past the flag, or they don't care. The numbers who actively want the thing flying there are a minority. But they are maniacally passionate, and politicians -- particularly Republican politicians, and Republicans run the Legislature -- fear them. Why did we not move all the way to a real solution of the problem in 2000? Because Mr. Sheheen's successor didn't even want to discuss it; he wanted to move the lame Senate "compromise" through the House in a single day and wash his hands of the taint. It's not that David Wilkins cared about keep the flag flying; he didn't. But he needed some of the Republicans who did in order to keep his power as speaker, and feared their ire.

So let's get the momentum back. Let the coach do football, and the rest of us do the politics. Here's what I propose:

Let's start a new organization, today, called "South Carolinians for the Advancement of All South Carolinians." Our aim will be to make the Legislature hear the voice of the majority of people of all colors in our state, who are sick and tired of this farce of flying that flag on our State House grounds, and fed up with the harm it does us all -- not just in terms of how the world views us, but in terms of how we see ourselves, and how we live together as a people.

Please join today. And if you've got a better name for the organization, let's hear it. But it's time to get the momentum going again, and move our state away from the most horrible time in our past, and toward a better future for us all.

Posted by Brad Warthen at 01:51 PM in Confederate Flag
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OK - I've posted this twice before and I'm gonna post it again...

"I'm as native a South Carolinian as they come... both sides of my (white) family stretch back into the history of this state until they disappear. I do not believe that most people who venerate the Confederate flag do so to align themselves with openly evil neo-Nazi or White Supremacist organizations. I think they fly it, and support the flying of it on the grounds of the state capitol building, to remember the illustrious history of the South as viewed through rose-colored glasses, the days when Cotton was King, and to celebrate its past. But in so doing they overlook the implications inherent in the fact that this flag flew over a confederacy of states who did not want to give up the legal right to own other human beings. It may represent a glorious heritage to a certain segment of our southern society, but in a greater sense it represents oppression, hate, murder, and wanton evil to a much, much larger population. Acknowledge this truth or not – the Confederate flag is a racist symbol that has been adopted for generations by hate groups all over this country; it is this association that defines its symbology."

Posted by "Lily", aka Claudia.

I first wrote these words here on this blog back in January. One of the regulars - I don't remember who and it doesn't matter enough for me to go looking - told me to just move on. But the fact is, this state can't "move on" past this issue... all we can do is circle it. Am I sick of the issue? You bet - sick at heart.

Posted by: Claudia | Apr 14, 2007 3:07:02 PM

Brad, I agree with you and Coach Spurrier. Getting the flag off the dome was a positive and difficult step forward, but the time has come to move it off the Statehouse grounds entirely. We are entering the knowledge economy with Innovista. The eyes of the world will be on South Carolina with both parties Presidential Debates in April and May. We need to focus on the future.

Posted by: Bob Coble | Apr 14, 2007 3:17:42 PM

I definitely agree with Coach Spurrier. I was born and raised in SC and still love the state very much. I have lived in GA, FL, VA, MS, and now reside in LA. I have been to almost every state except 10 of them and when I meet new people -- one thing that dominates the conversation is SC's past and the fact that the state cannot move forward. I would be the first to say that other states certainly have problems with race and I have tried to defend the great state of SC, but the Confederate Flag always "sinks my ship". I say to lawmakers and the citizens of SC -- to move forward, you must remember and celebrate your history. But you must also embrace the future and move forward. That flag is a "never healing" soar on the skin of our state and we must take steps for permanent healing and stop applying bandages to cover it up.

Posted by: Eric Stevens | Apr 14, 2007 4:39:14 PM

The problem is moving the flag any further is submiting to extortian. You may be right and majority dont care but when did we think the majority actually wins anymore?
I want to know the next thing the group(s) that want the flag down wants BEFORE we move the flag again. They will never be satisfied.

Posted by: Henry Martin Jr | Apr 14, 2007 5:52:50 PM

Not so sure an outsider making the case is the smart move. it shuold be obvious that the flag "wanters" don't want to be told what to do...

But it makes money and power for a lot of people for it to stay...so I think it will.

Posted by: chrisw | Apr 14, 2007 6:13:53 PM

I also agree that it's removal is long overdue. But the symbol does have historical significance to it so it should be displayed as such. Maybe not at the Capital but maybe somewhere in relation to the other flags which have flown over South Carolina.

Remember, this was a British colony and there was slavery then (so maybe we shouldn't display that flag) and before the civil war, the entire US was supportive of slavery (so maybe we shouldn't display our early US flags, especially the 13 stars flag). Other than the racist organizations who display the flag as a disobedient act, the flag is still historical. Just put those flags somewhere in the back room where they can collect dust.

Besides, there should be three flags at the Capital anyway: the Stars and Stripes, the South Carolina state flag, and the POW-MIA flag in remembrence of our soldiers, sailors, airman, marines and coast guard who have not come home.

Posted by: Steven Pulley | Apr 14, 2007 6:40:34 PM

And then what? The statue of Ben Tillman likely offends South Carolina graduates and fans. The statue of Strom Thurmond doubtless "hurts" many democrats and, more recently, Al Sharpton. The million dollar civil rights memorial likely upsets many folks. The statue of George Washington is puzzling to most illegal immigrants. My wholly accurate use of the term "illegal immigrants" will offend some. The stars on the state house marking cannon fire hits may hurt the feelings of pacifists. The use of Gamecocks, Tigers, Bulldogs and other animal mascots offend the PETA folks. I'll guarantee that the first time Spurrier "hangs 50" on some team, it's entire fanbase, alumni association and home state will be hurt and offended. Those who benefit from being offended or the attention it garners will, quite predictably, forever be offended over something.

I lived in Columbia for 6 years, and never knew the Confederate Flag flew over the state house. I now visit on business once a month or more, but I'm not certain where it flies on the grounds. Like trouble, unless I go looking for it, I won't likely find it. Unless some entity, a professional victims group or the State paper, provokes or promotes a controversy -- there simply is none here.

Unless the State, and Steve Spurrier, is prepared to propose removal of ALL historical symbols from the capital grounds, neither can legitimately be selective in it's or his discomfort or 'outrage'.

I would think Spurrier has all he can do already, developing players, winning games, keeping his kids out of 5 Points, and seeking to start UP a win total on Georgia, Auburn and Clemson, not bringing DOWN any symbol. Moreover, the State should be reporting the news -- not attempting to generate it.

The flag flies where it does as a result of legislative compromise, fully supported by those legislators that you label "backward" and those that you deem "progressive". As the State concedes, the boycott has been ineffective, meaning the majority of minority folk don't allow the Confederate flag to bother them.

Unless Spurrier is prepared to allow Mark Sanford and Glenn McConnell to call plays and defensive stunts, unless the State is prepared to have legislators determine its editorial policy and the daily news that escapes the editorial strike, then perhaps you folks and SOS should similarly stick to your own duties. If SOS, Warthen, or others have so much extra time on their hands, there are litter pickup bags available and meals on wheels can always use an extra set of hands and wheels.

Bottomline: if a single piece of historical cloth is SO fearsome or offensive, don't look at it, don't go near it, use a street other than Gervais (you know, like porn or misogynist rap, 'just change the channel') or chastise the largely defunct groups who improperly use it. But you should be more tolerant of differing opinions and symbols, be inclusive, don't be judgmental, embrace diversity!

Sign me: two USC degrees and 30 years in the Gamecock Club, but watching the Coach's handling of this closely before I send in my sizable "short year" check.

Posted by: JR | Apr 14, 2007 6:41:31 PM

I'd support removing the flag in exchange for removing our liberal newspaper.

Posted by: Michael Burton | Apr 14, 2007 6:46:37 PM

I say, leave the flag up. It's important to remember the point of the flag controversy. It's a distraction. Mr. Gibson started the flag controversy in order to create a distraction from his own misconduct, and the State and the other establishment voices in South Carolina seized on it as a substitute for real action. Removing a piece of cloth or, better still, endlessly advocating for its removal, serves as a substitute for taking any concrete actions against racism.

Posted by: Carol Hathaway | Apr 14, 2007 7:33:16 PM

Boy, some people sure can make a simple issue complicated. But I guess if you don't want it to happen, the easiest thing is to point out all kinds of historical complexities. It's like substituting the simple meaning of a modern day word with all of its historical etymology and development. Etymology is interesting, but when a modern-day speaker uses a word, she/he normally has a more mundane and obvious meaning in mind.

Well, I agree with the mayor, but hey, I'm a newcomer to SC. I think the home-born folks, or at least those with established roots, should be the first to take the initiative. It's like a diplomat in a foreign culture--the foreigner can be an agent for change, but ultimately it's the home folks who have to own the decision.

Posted by: Herb Brasher | Apr 14, 2007 7:36:09 PM

Could we please for once just have a football coach who is content to pull in millions of dollars and stick to coaching football? Do we really need our overpaid football coaches to opine and editorialize about everything from litter to monuments on the statehouse grounds? Ed

Posted by: ed | Apr 14, 2007 7:45:31 PM

I'm glad Steve Spurrier made his statement, because it gave The State and the local news stations some "Breaking News" on this slow news day.

Posted by: Jeremy Thames | Apr 14, 2007 7:50:10 PM

I love the South, and that's why I want it down. I'm tired of the nation's perception of my heritage being confused with racism.

It's time, no matter who says it. Get it down and put it in a museum.

Posted by: Susan | Apr 14, 2007 8:07:09 PM

Henry, Carol, and anyone else who doesn't understand this simple point that I've explained about a million times and which really shouldn't require any explanation whatsoever:

THIS IS ABOUT THE FLAG. THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE NAACP. TO TAKE DOWN THE FLAG THAT WE ALL KNOW SHOULDN'T BE THERE IS NOT SUBMITTING TO EXTORTION. IT IS NOT GOING ALONG WITH SOME CONSPIRACY LAUNCHED BY DR. GIBSON. IT'S ABOUT THE FLAG. ALL YOU HAVE TO ASK YOURSELF IS, "SHOULD THE FLAG BE WHERE IT IS?" ANYTHING ELSE IS A BUNCH OF CHILDISH GRASPING FOR AN EXCUSE NOT TO DO WHAT YOU KNOW YOU SHOULD DO.

Basically, there IS a conspiracy going on here: The conspiracy is between the NAACP, and the flag defenders. Two hard-headed minorities, with the vast majority of us in the middle letting them dictate the terms of this issue to us.

The NAACP stubbornly refuses to admit that IT is the obstacle to people coming together and doing what they would do without all this artificial controversy: take the flag away and move on with life. The NAACP won't let go because it has nothing else going on, and likes the attention. The flag defenders happily seize upon the NAACP's obstinance as an excuse to say, "We can't take it down NOW. That would be giving in to extortion!" -- despite the obvious fact that whether we take the flag down or fly it forever doesn't have anything to do with the NAACP, and never will.

It's like they got together and worked this out ahead of time between them, because it serves the self-absorbed interests of both groups. And the rest of us are trapped in this comedy of the absurd, with the entire country laughing at us. (Have you ever heard of anything more pathetic than the city of Columbia spending $15,000 in a ridiculously doomed effort to get people covering the presidential primaries here to ignore the flag? We make ourselves into a national freak show, and we think they're going to ignore it? Come on!)

The majority of South Carolinians are just too polite to tell the two conspiring sides in this, Shut Up and stop holding us hostage! But that's exactly what we should all do, and for my part, I'm doing it, because I'm fed up with all the foolishness.

Postscript: Let me tell you something about this Dr. Gibson thing, Carol. First, the NAACP did not inject itself into this with its boycott until 1999, about five years after I started writing those hundreds of columns and editorials. The NAACP tossed Gibson out at about that time, so even if the NAACP were driving the issue, which it isn't (it's having the opposite effect, causing people who would otherwise speak out on the issue to sit back rather than get associated with the NAACP's weak attempt to coerce the state), it still wouldn't have anything to do with Gibson. He's been gone from the scene for quite some time.

I feel ridiculous even explaining that, because what I'm doing is saying things that are plainly on the record, when it shouldn't even come up to begin with. Why? I'll say it again:

THIS IS ABOUT THE FLAG. IT'S NOT ABOUT THE NAACP, OR THE SCV, OR ANYBODY ELSE. IT'S ABOUT THE FLAG, AND ABOUT THE KIND OF STATE THAT WE WANT TO BE.

I hope I shouted it loudly enough to be heard that time...

Posted by: Brad Warthen | Apr 14, 2007 8:12:13 PM

The previous post was a perfect example!

It's a shame the persons supporting the flying of the confederate flag IN THE SINGLE MOST PROMINENT PUBLIC LOCATION IN THE STATE have to resort to personal attacks, illogical analogies, and extortion - instead of constructive dialog. Why? Because there is nothing to be gained by the keeping the flag in it's current location. They have run out of valid reasons.

I have been a resident of Columbia for 42 years. I was born here and my parents are buried within sight of the confederate flag. I too hold a degree from USC and contribute to the university (but I won't tie it to any conditions). Don't tell me not to go down Gervais Street!

And as for your reference to rap and porn - you can't change the channel when the crap is blasting out of cars driving through your neighborhood - so you have no point there either.

As a businessman, SC resident, Columbia resident, Gamecock fan, Christian, and white guy, I say the flag must be removed NOW. Put it in the historical documents case at the State Museum and let the legislature squabble about how they want the inscription on the plaque to read. It's an historical symbol that, in the perception of many people, locally and nationally, is also representative of oppression and hate.

Posted by: W C Salley | Apr 14, 2007 8:27:13 PM

Thank, W.C. So can I count you, and Mayor Coble, and Susan, and Claudia, and Eric, and Steven, and Herb as charter members of the SCAASC?

We've got to get organized on this. The extremists have THEIR organizations; it's high time that the sensible majority stopped sitting as quiet, powerless individuals on the sidelines. Let's have us a movement.

I've been criticized by regulars on this blog for TALKING about the UnParty, but not actually holding any meetings. OK, on THIS I will call meetings, and play whatever role in the movement the groups asks me too. I'll sit up stuffing envelopes all night, or whatever. How about y'all? Are you ready to get together and get something positive DONE for a change?

Posted by: Brad Warthen | Apr 14, 2007 8:35:32 PM

Count me in, Brad! Death by a thousand paper cuts or slow poisoning by envelope glue... if that's what it takes to make the right thing finally happen, so be it! Where do I sign??

Posted by: Claudia | Apr 14, 2007 8:46:32 PM

Right here. Or e-mail me back. I just e-mailed the above message straight to you and the others mentioned...

Posted by: Brad Warthen | Apr 14, 2007 8:54:28 PM

What a weenie we have for a mayor. As a so-called politician, he should know the value of compromise and sticking to your word. If he gets his 'ship sunk' everywhere he goes because of a historical flag, then he obviously can't think of all the good things about our wonderful state. If a historical flag should not be displayed at matching historical monument, something is wrong with our sense of history.
The plan came off the dome with the compromise to put it where it is now, but the folks that made the compromise seem to have forgotten what they agreed to.
To " 'Lily' aka Claudia - If, as you say, your family has been in this state from the beginning, I'm sure all of your ancestors are flipping in their graves.
To Steven Pulley, I just wish I was as eloquent as you in my wording. Your words make me proud.
To Mayor Bob, and The State, how about doing what you're supposed to be doing. Creating friction, and/or keeping friction alive and well serves no one, and I don't think that is your in your job descriptions anyway.
To Steve Spurrier, you ain't even from around here. You are here strictly for the money. How about just saying something positive about your players every now and then? Leave local issues to people who care more about issues that pertain to them and less about getting some face time on television.
If you want to know history, read a real history book. There are those who want you to believe the Civil War was about slavery. The percentage of Southerners that owned slaves was very small. Yet these boys came from the hills, and from their farms, and from the woods. They brought their shotguns and their old rusty pistols. They wore bib overalls and came with bare feet because the South had no money for uniforms or Winchesters or all the other comforts of war that the Federal soldiers were issued.
Unfortunately, groups like the KKK, Neo-Nazis,and Skinhead groups, among others have turned our flag into a symbol of hatred.
My ancestors, too, all the way through South Carolina history, down to me, have been service people during every war in this country's history. They fought and died to secure the freedoms of their loved ones and their homes. Not to preserve slavery.
You people got what you wanted and agreed to. Let it go.

Posted by: M E Johnson | Apr 14, 2007 8:58:09 PM

Speaking as one of the "you people", ME, I can firmly state that letting it go is not an option. Flying the Confederate battle flag on the state house grounds perpetuates the stereotype of South Carolinians as backwards-looking bigots. Furthermore, its significance as a historic symbol has been preempted by a racist symbology of hate and fanaticism. The swastika has its origins in ancient Hindu and Buddhist traditions, among others, possibly representing the Sun. But appropriation by the Nazi Party as its official emblem eclipsed its historical status. So it is with the Confederate battle flag.

And don't worry about my ancestors... Granny was a side-sleeper.

Posted by: Claudia | Apr 14, 2007 9:32:13 PM

I agree with Brad and Steve, the flag needs to come down. If the flag that is a symbol of your heritage is used by the KKK and white supremacists, you might want to use something else. The flag now represents hate and racism for many South Carolinians. Do these tax payers deserve that flag on their government's doorstep. Our state government's grounds should not have such a divisive symbol anywhere.

Posted by: Jack | Apr 14, 2007 10:19:10 PM

I agree completely with Claudia. I was born in South Carolina, love the Gamecocks, and hype up the state every chance I get. Since I've been employed all over the country since graduation from USC, the comments get old. The state is beautiful in so many ways with so many wonderful foods, places, people, customs, and things. I hate it when people shoot down my grand descriptions with comments about the flag.

I know just how much of an impact the Civil War had on our state. I give people a history lesson each time they throw the flag in my face. I let them know that it wasn't just about slaves and bigotry. I'm just tired of having to make the case for a place and culture I am so proud of. If there is a need for a flag over that memorial, make it a different one. The only battle that is going on now involves South Carolinians and the defense of our state's reputation. Isn't there a way to honor our ancestors who fought without using that particular flag? Too many other, less than honorable, groups have turned it into something I don't identify with at all. It's just agravating when people immediately associate me with racism because each time they see a national article on the state it features the same symbol the KKK is waving around. There has to be a better way.

Posted by: Ben | Apr 14, 2007 11:18:18 PM

It's just about the FLAG!? Then why, where the flag has been removed from vision and discourse, is it now about monuments or streets named for Lee or Jackson or Longstreet or Forest?

If it's about the misappropriation of this symbol of independence by hate groups, then we must remove the American flag, censure any rendition of the cross including the Scottish Saltire, and outlaw the black liberation flag.

If it's about stereotypes and perceived bigotry of this state or region, then explain the influx of Fortune 500 companies and HQs and correct those who are stereotyping and prejudging.

The words, published in the State website today, of Cory Boyd, a young, black, soon to be college educated, New Jersey transplant are instructive: he says the flag does not concern him, that outside forces told him this was a racist state/city, but that all he has seen is love since his arrival.

If you really think its about the FLAG, then you must also be convinced that it's eradication from view and discussion will permanently end the aggravation caused by this "divisive" non-issue. And, if you do, I have some prime beachfront real estate on the outskirts of Omaha, Nebraska to sell you. You will love it, the surfing is great and the sunsets over the ocean are lovely. Just sign that blank check and hand it over, I'll fill in the details later to save you the trouble. Really, that's all I want, trust me, I have your very best interests at heart. Really.

Posted by: JR | Apr 14, 2007 11:19:15 PM

"Postscript: Let me tell you something about this Dr. Gibson thing, Carol. First, the NAACP did not inject itself into this with its boycott until 1999, about five years after I started writing those hundreds of columns and editorials."

That isn't true, unless you are trying to draw a distinction between "inject itself into this" and "inject itself into this with its boycott". The NAACP, prompted by Mr. Gibson's desire to deflect attention away from his misconduct, started agitating against the flag in about 1994 or 1995, which is when you decided to write about it. A formal boycott might have come later, but the NAACP involvement definitely came before you are claiming it did.

And you misunderstand my point. My point isn't that the flag should or shouldn't stay up. My point is that only keeping the flag up serves your purpose, because the presence of the flag provides something easy and meaningless to do, that can be done instead of taking any kind of meaningful action. If the flag is taken down, you can't talk any more about taking it down. It's a nice, safe, meaningless thing to talk about, that won't change the lives of anyone. Talking about the flag is a way to avoid real change.

So go on, talk about the flag, but remember, don't let things get out of hand, because once you run out of meaningless gestures, you are left only with doing something meaningful, or else admitting that you don't want to do anything meaningful.

Posted by: Carol Hathaway | Apr 15, 2007 12:37:52 AM

You assume that the flag offends only “THE BLACKS”; I can tell you from personal knowledge that white Athletes, superior white students and business that employ white people have taken a pass on South Carolina because of that flag. Believe me, SC is not at the point that we can afford to let talented people (of all colors) overlook our state. The fact that the debate over this flag can raise such passions is a testament to the power of symbols and the symbolism represented by this flag is a giant negative to our state. The first thing our military did upon the capture of Baghdad was to remove Saddam’s Iraqi flag, pull down Saddam’s statue and remove all murals of Saddam’s face. It is against the law to fly the Swastika in Germany. Why? Because symbols tell a story and says something about the people that display them. What is this flag saying to the world about South Carolina?

Posted by: TC | Apr 15, 2007 1:03:22 AM

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