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Wednesday, 19 March 2008
'God Damn America' means what it means
Over the last couple of days, I've seen and heard a number of explanations, or attempts at explanations, regarding the Rev. Jeremiah Wright having proclaimed, "God Damn America."
Most of them have been along the lines of the old cliche, "It's a black thing; you wouldn't understand," although no one has used those precise words. Well, I accept that on one level or another, I can never fully understand where any other human being is coming from. My own brother has the same genetic background that I do and grew up in the same household, but each of us has had a separate experience of life that has shaped us differently and causes us to express ourselves differently. The farther you get from being my biological brother -- or, to describe someone I've spent a lot more time with than my brother, my wife -- the wider that gap will get. The more different our experiences, the more different our perceptions of the world, and the more different our ways of speaking of the world.
But I've got to tell you, "God Damn America" is not a statement that is fraught with nuance. It's very clear, uncompromising and all-encompassing. In all the explanations I've heard for that statement, no one has suggested that the words mean anything different. In English, they can only mean one thing. If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad says "God Damn America," I know what he means, even though he and I probably have a lot fewer reference points in common than the Rev. Wright and I have.
And if the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, speaking from his pulpit, deliberately and clearly calls upon God to damn America, and urges his congregation to send forth the same prayer, I know what he means. It means asking God to send America to hell forever. Damnation, under any sense of the word that I have every heard of (and no one has offered an alternative definition in response to this issue), and within any theology I have heard of (and again, no one has offered a different theological meaning of the word), means that and nothing else.
It doesn't say, "America has a lot to answer for." It does not say, "America is guilty of terrible crimes." It does not say, "America has treated you and me and millions of others horribly and inexcusably, and we can never forgive that." It means to curse America beyond redemption, beyond improvement, beyond a second or third or billionth chance. "Damn" means "damn." It goes infinitely beyond any other obscenity you might utter in expressing your displeasure with America. If you say -- and pardon my implied language -- "F--- America," that is at least something from which the object of your anger might recover. If you say "Kill America," you have at least described something from which it might be redeemed. But the Rev. Wright did not say those things. He said "God Damn America."
I understand hyperbole. I know all about exaggeration for effect. I know that many people have profound, complex reasons for being angrier about the way the world is and has been than I ever will. But this is not about exaggeration. This word is not a matter of degree. It is not about merely using a word that goes quantitatively too far.
I also understand that black homilitic and worship traditions are very, very different from that of, say, my own church, or any that I regularly attended growing up. I've been in this country most of my life (like Obama, I've lived abroad), and I took in that fact long ago.
And I've read the news stories -- here's one that was in our paper today, and another I saw in The Wall Street Journal -- that quote experts explaining that it's different when Jeremiah Wright says it. But it isn't different. There is no moral context, no separate historical grounding, no cultural style, no emotional framework that gives the words "God Damn America" a different meaning. When, in The State's story, the Rev. Joe Darby -- whom I have known and respected for years, and to the best of my knowledge would never say "God damn America" -- speaks of "the role of the historical black church in 'speaking truth to power'," I know what he means. I agree that has been the role of the black church, and it has played that role well, and employed hyperbole in the course of doing so. But the point seems to me irrelevant. In what way, shape or form does "God Damn America" constitute speaking truth to anyone?
I also get it that I'm the clueless white guy. I've pled guilty to that before. But again, I remain unconvinced that I am too clueless to understand what "God Damn America" means.
Now -- does what I am saying here change the fact that I respect and admire Barack Obama, and think he should get the Democratic nomination for president? No, it does not. To the contrary, I was very much impressed by the speech he gave on the subject yesterday, which in so many ways spoke to the qualities that I respect in Sen. Obama. And note that he strongly repudiates his former pastor's message.
Am I saying he absolved himself from his connection -- his extended, deliberate, close association -- with a preacher who would say, "God Damn America?" No. He did not do that. And after all the years he has been going to that church, I can't imagine any words he could say that would accomplish that feat. And if he did, he would be rightly criticized for politically convenient timing.
As a voter, and as a writer who comments upon politics in this country, I am deeply impressed by the transcendent way in which Barack Obama addresses the intensely, damnably pervasive issue of race in America. He says just what I want a presidential candidate to say on the subject, and he says it better than any politician I have heard. He reaffirmed that for me Tuesday.
But I do have to set all that alongside the fact that he has deliberately associated with the man who said -- and apparently meant, since I've heard about no repudiation from the preacher himself -- "God Damn America." That will be something that Barack Obama as a candidate will just have to live with. It can't be changed, any more than John McCain can change the fact that he would be 72 years old if inaugurated (a very different sort of problem, but just as immutable).
Those are both inescapable facts, and voters will have to decide what weight to give them if these are the two nominees in the fall.
Posted by Brad Warthen at 06:55 PM in 2008 Presidential, Barack Obama, Elections, Marketplace of ideas, Race, Religion, The Nation, Words
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Brad:
Please also post a blog commenting on Jerry Falwell's and Pat Robertson's comments on 9/11/01.
We all know that you won't do that, though, as they were white Republicans.
Posted by: Sonny Burnette | Mar 19, 2008 7:56:23 PM
I'm sorry. The Falwell and Robertson comments occurred on 9/13/01. Please blog on those for awhile Brad. Thanks.
Posted by: Sonny Burnette | Mar 19, 2008 8:06:08 PM
Now I'm confused. To Brad the term partisan can only be used in what he considers the generally accepted sense of the term as used in public discourse. All other dictionary meanings of the term must not be used because they don't conform to Brad's rules of how the term can be used. But when it comes to the term God Damn America we're not allowed the same latitude for interpretation. I don't believe a person using that term means America is beyond redemption. Frankly I don't see how anyone could come to that conclusion. To do so is simply to put far too much of a literal spin on the expression. I don't defend Rev. Wright's use of the term, but neither do I find it all that over the top. Brad, I think you are way over thinking this. Rev. Wright spouted off some incendiary comments from the pulpit. Others such as Falwell, Hagel and Robertson have uttered far worse. So why continue to pile on?
Posted by: bud | Mar 19, 2008 8:17:15 PM
Falwell and Robertson, as I and most people see it, are delusional, power-corrupted, fringe characters. What the hell does their insanity have to do with this? What does partisanship have to do with this? What on Earth are you people going on about?
bud and I have had an ongoing argument because he wants to apply one dictionary sense of the word partisan to what I say when I have made it abundantly clear that when I use the word, I mean it in the other, equally legitimate (and far more common) sense. And I'd love it if bud will provide me with another word that will mean to him what I very clearly mean when I use the word "partisan," so as to avoid his entirely unnecessary confusion on the point, but he has not done that. Now THAT, folks, is a pedantic argument, on both our parts.
But bud, I'm still waiting for you or anyone else to provide me with an alternative meaning of the phrase, "God Damn America." This has absolutely zero to do with partisan politics in bud's OR my sense of the word, since it does not change my support of Barack Obama, as I ALSO made abundantly clear.
So what ARE you two going on about, and do you ever actually READ a post before you start in on irrelevancies?
Posted by: Brad Warthen | Mar 19, 2008 8:44:49 PM
Sonny, are Falwell and Robertson close to getting the nomination of some major party?
No? Well, then who cares what they said on 9-11?
Obama refused to back away completely from a preacher who blamed the CIA for AIDS, faulted the government for black drug woes, and used the words "God damn America" twice from his pulpit.
Let Obama be as irrelevant as Falwell and Robertson. He's earned it.
Posted by: weldon VII | Mar 19, 2008 8:50:28 PM
Brad, if the events of the last two days haven't changed your support of Obama, you need to think for a minute or two or however long it takes for things to actually add up for you.
Obama let that man preach to his children.
Obama's been in that church for TWENTY years.
Obama, candidate for president of these United States, wouldn't back away from a pastor who preached "God damn America" from his pulpit.
He's not fit to walk the halls of the Senate, much less the White House.
Posted by: weldon VII | Mar 19, 2008 8:57:07 PM
Weldon, Brad, and the rest of the wingnut loons seemingly deem Obama and his preacher as one yet somehow separate the Falwell/Robertson fundamentalist crowd from all of the Republican candidates (who stand no chance without the complete backing and support of the fundamentalist kooks).
The difference? One group is rich white folks and the other is black.
Posted by: Sonny Burnette | Mar 19, 2008 9:00:09 PM
Exactly which office is Preacher Wright running for? Oh yeah, none. End of story.
Brad and Weldon are race baiters.
Posted by: Sonny Burnette | Mar 19, 2008 9:03:55 PM
Brad still won't address the Robertson/Falwell comments of 9/13/01, and the impact that their followers had on the '04 elections.
Why don't you analyze those comments Brad? Do you believe that Robertson and Falwell were correct?
Posted by: Sonny Burnette | Mar 19, 2008 9:06:27 PM
From a story on Salon.com about being on the campaign trail with John McCain:
"And as far as McCain is concerned, he'll keep inviting the press on the bus with him straight up to November. "I have to -- goddamn it," he mock-growled, keeping up a long-running joke where he pretends he doesn't love being surrounded by reporters."
Looks like the reporters on the bus should buy some asbestos underwear...
It's just a word. A bad choice, but just a word.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 19, 2008 9:48:11 PM
I think Mike Huckabee has it right:
"As easy as it is for those of us who are white to look back and say 'That's a terrible statement!' ... I grew up in a very segregated South. And I think that you have to cut some slack — and I'm gonna be probably the only conservative in America who's gonna say something like this, but I'm just tellin' you — we've gotta cut some slack to people who grew up being called names..."
I won't ever pretend to think my life experience would give me any ability to parse Obama's preacher's statements.
Posted by: Doug Ross | Mar 19, 2008 10:00:50 PM
Sonny,
Brad and I aren't often on the same page, and we aren't on the same page here, either.
If you need help finding a class to help you with your reading comprehension, let me know.
Posted by: weldon VII | Mar 19, 2008 10:11:04 PM
The way I see, the Reverend isn't running for president of the USA. I care what Obama has to say, not his preacher. If Obama agreed with his preacher, that would be another story but he's clearly and firmly denounced the comments. I'm taking taking Obama's word for it on this one.
Peace.
Posted by: Vanessa | Mar 19, 2008 10:24:41 PM
I think Obama pretty much explicitly answered what you are grappling with. The "God damn America" line is a result of Wright's view that this nation is always going to be as it has been, which is the country that has kept him and people of color down. So he's saying 'God damn America', the America that he knows as it has been. I don't know what it's like to come to that conclusion, like you said you can't know where someone comes from. But it does have context, if you listen to the rest of his sermon, there's the context. It's not like he just repeats those three words over and over again.
And not that it absolves Obama or Wright of anything, but what really bewilders me is why John McCain gets a free ride, when he solicits and receives endorsements from people like the very anti-Catholic John Hagee and Rod Parsley. Hagee called the Catholic church the 'great whore' and has said that God is sending terrorists here to kill us because of our immoral ways. I was first made aware of Rod Parsley when he was exhorting viewers on late night tv to send in money so that he could ask God to absolve them of their debts. He also says that America was founded, in part, to destroy Islam. This is the guy who McCain called his spiritual advisor.
Posted by: Jay | Mar 19, 2008 11:03:02 PM
Although I believe that America is still in denial about many of its past and present atrocities and the implications thereof, particularly as it regards the social and economic exclusion of people of color in this nation (which extends far beyond Blacks), I think that saying "God damn America" takes it a bit too far. At the same time, Obama is intelligent enough to know exactly what Wright was getting at, although he disagreed with the extent to which Dr. Wright took the concept.
Also, people say things like, "How could Obama expose his children to this stuff for 20 years?" First of all, it should be noted that we are talking about 10 second sound bites (which do happen to lack larger context) from 20 years' worth of preaching. It is doubtful that this is what a typical Sunday morning sermon at Trinity consists of, and the burden of proof is on those who would want Obama to totally disown the church and Dr. Wright to prove otherwise. It is very possible that the majority of the time, Dr. Wright expressed the sentiments that America is guilty of many things in less inflammatory and controversial terms. I think the fact that we have only been shown this one clip of this one sermon, and not several with the same type of language being used, shows that this indeed may be the case.
Posted by: Akhenaton06 | Mar 19, 2008 11:38:13 PM
what really bewilders me is why John McCain gets a free ride,
Just chalk it up to the press's ongoing love affair with Mr. Maverick Straight Shooter.
Posted by: kc | Mar 19, 2008 11:40:51 PM
Brad's made a strong statement here about his thoughts on the Rev. Wright's comments, and I get the feeling that having done so, he's about ready to move on with this topic.
I would suggest to my progressive friends out there that we do the same and resist the temptation to be baited into fruitless exchanges with those who are so blind as to be unable to perceive the myriad ways in which Barack Obama's life has been conducted in ways that are the polar opposite of the incendiary rhetoric of Rev. Wright.
In other words, let's not feed the beast. Or, as Sen. Obama says, "Not this time."
Posted by: Phillip | Mar 20, 2008 12:57:19 AM
Reverend Wright is just another example of "what's good for the goose, is not necessarily good for the gander" as espoused by too many black leaders, preachers. His student, Barack Obama seems of the same flock, yet right now in another skin.
Posted by: clif judy | Mar 20, 2008 5:41:03 AM
Phillip, I think you're totally right. I think that's what's called taking the "high road". The only danger in that is that if we don't face the facts, then everything will remain intractable. I think what you want to avoid is the back and forth of basically name-calling that goes on, and so do I. But Brad's focusing on those three words is exactly the problem. If we focus on those but act like no other words matter, because of the incendiary nature of those three words, then we will never be able to grasp from what well those types of sentiments come from. How can we begin to change things if we have no understanding of where the other side is coming from?
Posted by: Jay | Mar 20, 2008 6:35:25 AM
I can only begin to imagine the hate and rage built up in a black preacher who would rant and rave from the pulpit against this generous and forgiving nation, the land that rebuilt Germany and Japan after World War II and asked for nothing in return. I, frankly, am tired of seeking forgiveness from those who refuse to forgive. I am a descendant of immigrant families who came to America in the 1880s and never owned slaves. Why must I be raged against for slavery? Slavery is the crutch that too many blacks use to defend against their own inherited failings. Why don't they turn their sails into a favorable wind and vow to make the lives more meaningful, more fruitful and more compassionate for all? And why don't they teach those good qualities to their children? If they don't they will always be regarded with fear and contempt! Each one of us is the master of our own life, and it's about time some of us face that fact.
Posted by: Bubba Harrell | Mar 20, 2008 6:42:41 AM
looks like we're going to be stuck w/hillary after all :(
Posted by: frid | Mar 20, 2008 7:23:52 AM
And Brad still refuses to address Sonny's request that he comment on the 9/13/01 statements from Falwell and Robertson or address Hagee's endorsement of McCain.
Brad is a big-time race baiter--just with a pen instead of a hood.
Posted by: Jack Twist | Mar 20, 2008 7:39:11 AM
The world is waiting with baited breath for Brad's comment on the Hagee endorsement of Mr. Straight Talk express.
Posted by: bud | Mar 20, 2008 7:57:31 AM
If Obama truly was unaware of Wright's anti-American anti-government anti-white expressed beliefs after a close personal relationship of 20 years, he might be the most naive person on planet Earth.
Either that or a liar, I don't believe Obama's claim of ignorance to Wright's rants.
Posted by: Manbearpig | Mar 20, 2008 8:14:05 AM
Have you heard or seen the entire sermon from which this quote was taken? The media owe it to the American people to show the entire sermons from which they have extracted the sound bites that they show over and over again. Americans must reject the media shaping public opinion and engaging in mind control, which is clearly what this Rev Wright episode is all about. It is as important for Americans to scrutinize and question what the media does. For all we know this snippet of Rev Wright may have been part of a broader theme that may mitigate the specific harsh term. Maybe Rev Wright was criticizing policies of the government that ultimately led to terrorist actions. America has been roundly criticized for decades for dropping the bomb on Japan and not Berlin, attributing that decision to racism, ironically.
What this all should tell everybody is that sometimes in some ways what preachers say should be taken with a grain of salt. Maybe they do their best work when they administer the sick, feed the hungry, comfort the weary. But when they jump into the political fray they can sometimes do and say some embarrassing things. Preachers are not perfect, the people who look up to them are not perfect, the government is not perfect. The point that Senator Obama was making is that we all have a lot of work to do. This episode should very well be taken as part of that process.
Posted by: GW | Mar 20, 2008 8:17:01 AM
